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#1 Posted by Jhin (78 posts) - - Show Bio

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Rules:

  • In character, working together.
  • Any win condition.
  • 25 feet apart.
  • Takes place where Erik and T'Challa fought.

Rounds:

  1. All unarmed, equalized stats
  2. Everyone has access to the gear in the first gif, Both on team 2 have the Herb.
  3. Bucky has his full Winter Soldier Gear, Cap has his shield. Eric and T'Challa have their suits with no helmets.

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#2 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap & Bucky round 1 and 2.

Round 3 is really close and could probably go either way.

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#3 Posted by jashro44 (49491 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Could go either way.
  2. I'll back team one. Bladed weapons are an advantage.
  3. Team one without a doubt.
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#4 Posted by juiceboks (23800 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how anyone can say Steve or Bucky has a chance at beating these two with their suits. The blunt force feats they had in the movie are far above anything the soldiers are capable of dishing out.

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#5 Posted by GeorgeWBush (9992 posts) - - Show Bio

The Wakandans in all

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#6 Edited by cooljammy18 (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Either way

2. Team 2 since both have showed more skill with bladed weapons.

3. Team 2. Their suits are a massive advantage and really, they can't be put down by team one while wearing it.

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#7 Posted by KenKenKillTiT (152 posts) - - Show Bio

1: toss up
2 and 3: Wakandans.

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#8 Posted by imagein (750 posts) - - Show Bio

The Wakandans take round 1, but in a battle of attrition (in character, T’Challa would definitely want to fight Bucky again seeing as they’ve fought before, and N’Jadaka would definitely prefer to take on the guy with the mantle of ‘Captain America’).

They also take round 2, and with greater ease than round 1 because they have more experience wielding swords.

Round 3, the Wakandans win comfortably, there’s just no way for Bucky and Cap to get though the suits, they’re too durable and on top of that absorb their blows to be used for kinetic energy blasts.

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#9 Posted by DSTREET45 (4851 posts) - - Show Bio

Panthers all rounds. Might be new movie hype but I think they could take it in equal stats. With gear the match shifted more in their favor.

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#10 Posted by zaied (7204 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Wakanda for rounds 2 & 3. Round 1 is probably a toss up.

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#11 Edited by buildhare (8014 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Team 1
  2. Team 1, BP and Cap are mostly even but Buckys arm isn't an advantage team 2 has an answer for.
  3. Team 2
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#12 Edited by LDM (5232 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 for round 1 and 2. Team 2 for last round

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#13 Posted by jashro44 (49491 posts) - - Show Bio

  1. Team 1
  2. Team 1, BP and Cap are mostly even but Buckys arm isn't an advantage team 2 has an answer for.
  3. Team 2

Killmonger is pretty even with T'challa. He can just stab Bucky in round 2.

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#14 Posted by buildhare (8014 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:
@buildhare said:
  1. Team 1
  2. Team 1, BP and Cap are mostly even but Buckys arm isn't an advantage team 2 has an answer for.
  3. Team 2

Killmonger is pretty even with T'challa. He can just stab Bucky in round 2.

I think he'd beat T'challa as well. Bucky is the best at straight melee combat without lots of gear.

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#15 Posted by jashro44 (49491 posts) - - Show Bio

@buildhare: There second fight in civil war without the suit was pretty even. Killmonger having a weapon which can actually kill Bucky ensures he wins. Bucky's bionic arm isn't much of an advantage. Killmonger can eat a hit.

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#16 Posted by blackpantherisb (5409 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Cap and Bucky in a close match.

R2: The Panthers.

R3: Panthers stomp.

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#17 Posted by buildhare (8014 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

There second fight in civil war without the suit was pretty even. Killmonger having a weapon which can actually kill Bucky ensures he wins.

How? Bucky abuses his strength but he is still extremely skilled, of the two he has the better displays of skill with bladed weapons.

Bucky's bionic arm isn't much of an advantage.

How? It means he wins any grapple between the two very hard, that he can shield himself instead of dodging and that Killmonger is going to be on the defensive. It's not the sole reason he can win but there's no disputing it's a huge factor.

Killmonger can eat a hit.

Not better than Cap or T'challa and neither of them can take repeated strikes from Buck.

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#18 Edited by jashro44 (49491 posts) - - Show Bio

@buildhare:

How? Bucky abuses his strength but he is still extremely skilled, of the two he has the better displays of skill with bladed weapons.

No he doesn't. When Bucky fought Sharon and Black Widow for a time he couldn't defend against them both simultaneously. Killmonger was able to fight 4 members of the dora milaje for a time and wasn't tagged until after he killed one of them. Killmonger also defeated T'challa during there trial.

How? It means he wins any grapple between the two very hard,

Assuming it comes down to a grapple. T'challa fought him fine despite the arm.

that he can shield himself instead of dodging

This was debated in another thread but Killmongers weapons are likely vibranium. The artifact in the museum was vibranium, and it was also said Wakandains use it for everything, even clothing. So he probably can't.

and that Killmonger is going to be on the defensive. It's not the sole reason he can win but there's no disputing it's a huge factor.

Not compared to vibranium weapons which can actually kill Bucky in one hit. Even if Killmongers weapons weren't vibranium there still a bigger advantage.

Not better than Cap or T'challa and neither of them can take repeated strikes from Buck.

Cap did take repeated strikes from Bucky and T'challa was standing fine after a hit from Bucky's bionic arm. Bucky can't take one hit from Killmongers weapons on the other hand. There a much bigger advantage.

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#19 Edited by slimj87d (15340 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 and 2 Steve and Bucky

Round 3 T'Challa and Erik.

I'm going to argue that WS and Cap also have better team work and know each other personally, it's another advantage they have in rounds 1 and 2.

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#20 Posted by buildhare (8014 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

No he doesn't. When Bucky fought Sharon and Black Widow for a time he couldn't defend against them both simultaneously. Killmonger was able to fight 4 members of the dora milaje for a time and wasn't tagged until after he killed one of them.

Only one member of the Dora Milaje had feats and she was still inferior to Widow. It's not really fair to say they were both in the same scenario either given Bucky was defending just fine against Sharon and was only tagged when a new party (Widow) entered the fight without warning just after Bucky had tried to punch Carter, they stagger him for literally a few moments and he immediately stomps Sharon and then Widow. Might be worth noting Tony had just disoriented him as well.

for a time

This in particular is kinda funny given the entire fight takes just over 10 seconds to be completely resolved, not defending against them well for a split second is hardly a low showing and it certainly doesn't make Killmonger better.

Really Erik had no reason not to be able to do what he did there (although I thought he was tagged a lot, but it only mattered when they had him in a lock) whereas Bucky was surprised and had hindered senses.

Although I said better feats with blades anyway, given how Cap handled BP and War Machine in Civil War I can't see how Erik beating T'challa is a better feat than Bucky being able to tag and stab Steve.

Killmonger also defeated T'challa during there trial.

I'd rate being essentially even with Cap as better than beating BP without gear.

Assuming it comes down to a grapple. T'challa fought him fine despite the arm.

It always comes down to a grapple eventually. You mention T'challa but they still wrestled at one point, the second Bucky started overpowering him T'challa kicked him off the stairs. On even ground Erik is out of luck.

This was debated in another thread but Killmongers weapons are likely vibranium. The artifact in the museum was vibranium, and it was also said Wakandains use it for everything, even clothing. So he probably can't.

The weapons from the ceremony are what they're using here, I really doubt they are vibranium given T'challa fought through being stabbed several times.

Not compared to vibranium weapons which can actually kill Bucky in one hit. Even if Killmongers weapons weren't vibranium there still a bigger advantage.

This would be true if Bucky didn't also have those exact same weapons as specified in the op.

Cap did take repeated strikes from Bucky

And was left comatose, every time Bucky has hit Cap he's been sent reeling.

and T'challa was standing fine after a hit from Bucky's bionic arm.

He was ragdolled across a room and winded, calling him fine is more than a stretch.

Bucky can't take one hit from Killmongers weapons on the other hand. There a much bigger advantage.

Again I would agree if only Erik had them, but as is they have the same equipment it's just one of them has a significantly better arm.

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#21 Edited by jashro44 (49491 posts) - - Show Bio

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Only one member of the Dora Milaje had feats and she was still inferior to Widow.

There were also double the amount of combatants. And while Okoye doesn't have a lot of feats she did show some insane skill when Klaw destroyed her car and she managed to successfully land on a piece of metal debris. I would say she is in the same tier as Widow. Widow might have more feats but honestly don't see her replicating Okoye's agility feat. Which is significant because Okoye doesn't have any powers so that would be the result of pure skill rather than just physicality.

It's not really fair to say they were both in the same scenario either given Bucky was defending just fine against Sharon and was only tagged when a new party (Widow) entered the fight without warning just after Bucky had tried to punch Carter, they stagger him for literally a few moments and he immediately stomps Sharon and then Widow.

That is my point. Once a second fighter entered the fight Bucky couldn't defend himself. He stomped them because he tanked there attacks and juggernauted through them. Killmonger wasn't just tanking damage when he fought the dora.

Might be worth noting Tony had just disoriented him as well.

He was recovered by that point. He wouldn't have noticed Sharon otherwise.

This in particular is kinda funny given the entire fight takes just over 10 seconds to be completely resolved, not defending against them well for a split second is hardly a low showing and it certainly doesn't make Killmonger better.

Yes because of his durability. Of course they got wrecked.

Really Erik had no reason not to be able to do what he did there (although I thought he was tagged a lot, but it only mattered when they had him in a lock)

What do you mean no reason to do what he did? Parry 4 attacks from 4 decently skilled attackers at once? I think your underestimating the advantage of numbers if you don't think that is a big deal. He only got tagged after he killed one of the dora milje IIRC.

whereas Bucky was surprised and had hindered senses.

I don't think his senses were hindered. We don't even know what Tony hit him with. I always assumed it was a concussive attack which stunned Bucky very briefly. Yea there was a bright light but not really any telling how long Bucky was blinded. Clearly his senses were fine as he did notice Sharon attacking him.

Although I said better feats with blades anyway, given how Cap handled BP and War Machine in Civil War I can't see how Erik beating T'challa is a better feat than Bucky being able to tag and stab Steve.

Its not like war machine and black panther attacked in tangent. And black panther landed his one hit on cap without help from war machine. He reacted to a sudden attack from war machine at the end and made war machine relevant in the fight. That is not the same as handling them both at the same time.

Plus when Bucky did tag Steve it was by over powering him. Not much of a skill feat. You could argue that he could do that to Killmonger but compared to Killmonger and T'challa showing the precision to just scratch each other its not impressive as a skill feat.

I'd rate being essentially even with Cap as better than beating BP without gear.

T'challa had equipment during the trial. And Bucky was never an equal with cap. He's good enough to challenge him but he is clearly inferior. This was shown in there fights throughout the winter soldier and I would say there are a few comparisons that can be made in civil war.

It always comes down to a grapple eventually. You mention T'challa but they still wrestled at one point, the second Bucky started overpowering him T'challa kicked him off the stairs. On even ground Erik is out of luck.

That grapple amounted to nothing for Bucky. Killmonger can still knock Bucky down like T'challa did. Or kick him off the water fall which would be a lot worst.

The weapons from the ceremony are what they're using here, I really doubt they are vibranium given T'challa fought through being stabbed several times.

Not sure how being stabbed by vibranium and a regular weapon are any different? He was fine due to his pain tolerance. He still did take damage.

This would be true if Bucky didn't also have those exact same weapons as specified in the op.

Admittedly I misread the OP. Regardless Bucky has never actually used those weapons and he isn't as skilled as Killmonger....

And was left comatose, every time Bucky has hit Cap he's been sent reeling.

After lying down and eating like 6 full power hits to the face. That is way different than a fight where one can roll with punches.

He was ragdolled across a room and winded, calling him fine is more than a stretch.

He wasn't winded. He got sent rolling across the room, but he looked up and saw Bucky walking up the stairs, and got up and beat him up the stairs. He was literally on the ground for two seconds and showed no sign of a serious injury.

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Again I would agree if only Erik had them, but as is they have the same equipment it's just one of them has a significantly better arm.

As I said I did misread the OP but I still say Erik is more skilled.

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#22 Posted by buildhare (8014 posts) - - Show Bio

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There were also double the amount of combatants. And while Okoye doesn't have a lot of feats she did show some insane skill when Klaw destroyed her car and she managed to successfully land on a piece of metal debris. I would say she is in the same tier as Widow. Widow might have more feats but honestly don't see her replicating Okoye's agility feat. Which is significant because Okoye doesn't have any powers so that would be the result of pure skill rather than just physicality.

I don't think Widow could replicate it either but that feat is impossible to translate to combat and the few combat feats she does have aren't better. Same tier is fair.

That is my point. Once a second fighter entered the fight Bucky couldn't defend himself. He stomped them because he tanked there attacks and juggernauted through them. Killmonger wasn't just tanking damage when he fought the dora.

The difference is that all fighters attacked from the get go and Erik was aware of all of them. If he'd only be facing the fodder trio and Okoye waited till was vulnerable, then snuck up and knee'd him the chest, it would be comparable. Sensing a surprise attack isn't a skill feat it's awareness.

He was recovered by that point. He wouldn't have noticed Sharon otherwise.

What? I'm not saying he was fighting like Daredevil, just that he was disoriented. If Tony's flash was anything like a regular flash bang he would have been blinded for a couple of seconds than would have been stuck with a blurry afterimage. He still would have been able to react and fight as he did but obviously it would have a negative effect.

What do you mean no reason to do what he did? Parry 4 attacks from 4 decently skilled attackers at once? I think your underestimating the advantage of numbers if you don't think that is a big deal. He only got tagged after he killed one of the dora milje IIRC.

I'm not underestimating it I just can't remember that happening, if he seriously avoided being tagged like you're saying I'll concede but we have different recollections of this.

I don't think his senses were hindered. We don't even know what Tony hit him with. I always assumed it was a concussive attack which stunned Bucky very briefly. Yea there was a bright light but not really any telling how long Bucky was blinded. Clearly his senses were fine as he did notice Sharon attacking him.

There were two separate blasts, one was sound and one light. If it was as powerful collectively as a regular stun grenade it would have a had an effect, given it's Stark tech I think that's probably underselling it but it doesn't really matter.

Its not like war machine and black panther attacked in tangent. And black panther landed his one hit on cap without help from war machine. He reacted to a sudden attack from war machine at the end and made war machine relevant in the fight. That is not the same as handling them both at the same time.

In quick succession one after the other, not literally as one but it's not accurate to say he wasn't relevant.

Plus when Bucky did tag Steve it was by over powering him. Not much of a skill feat. You could argue that he could do that to Killmonger but compared to Killmonger and T'challa showing the precision to just scratch each other its not impressive as a skill feat.

Fair enough, he could definitely do that to Erik though.

And Bucky was never an equal with cap. He's good enough to challenge him but he is clearly inferior. This was shown in there fights throughout the winter soldier and I would say there are a few comparisons that can be made in civil war.

Bucky when he's disturbed isn't, Bucky in TWS mode or at the end of Civil War is. The first fight was inconclusive, the second Cap won after Bucky went for the chip instead of him (you can argue he was being a dumbass but it's not the same as just straight losing), the third Bucky won outright. They're equals when fighting each other although Cap's style and tactical mind is obviously better against people who outstat him (Peter) or are even more offensive (BP) than Bucky is. Doesn't mean they aren't on even footing when they fight.

Not sure how being stabbed by vibranium and a regular weapon are any different? He was fine due to his pain tolerance. He still did take damage.

Pretty sure a vibranium blade pushed by a peak human would go straight through bone and flesh, T'challa should have been impaled rather than suffering a deepish flesh wound.

Admittedly I misread the OP. Regardless Bucky has never actually used those weapons and he isn't as skilled as Killmonger....

Up until that point neither had Killmonger for all we know, he was a spec ops soldier not a warrior priest or something.

It's not like shields are an issue;

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And I don't see how a sword or axe would be anymore foreign to Barnes than it was Erik. I don't agree either, Bucky disarming Steve here is a better display of skill than slicing T'challa's leg.

He wasn't winded. He got sent rolling across the room, but he looked up and saw Bucky walking up the stairs, and got up and beat him up the stairs. He was literally on the ground for two seconds and showed no sign of a serious injury.

It doesn't need to one shot him, just getting him to the ground is good enough. If Bucky had've pressed that he could've landed more and that's generally how he does it. His fights with Cap are all about momentum for him.

As I said I did misread the OP but I still say Erik is more skilled.

I think it comes down to this, if I'm misremebering the scene with the Dora then I'll agree but otherwise any skill gap is far too small to outweigh Bucky's other advantages.

May also be worth considering that this is an in character fight and the team chemistry between each team couldn't really be more different.

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#23 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4438 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Cap and Bucky in a close match.

R2: The Panthers.

R3: Panthers stomp.

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Round 1: If Bucky's arm is allowed in this round it seems lopsided, Team 1

But if he hypothetically has a human arm again I can't see how they beat Killmonger. His record and fight with T'challa (who is the literal Prince of a warrior race) imply that he is the one to beat in base stats.

Round 2: Panthers

Round 3: Panthers Stomp

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#26 Posted by DanielDaRipper (4116 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Could go either way.
  2. Team 1, we know that Erik isn't stupid and that he can fight around a shield like he did T'Challa and while Bucky's arm is good chances are T'Challa will take him down first due to his bladed weapon.
  3. Team 1, even though they have no helmets Bucky is really the only one that has a good chance of killing them with a head shot while either of Team 1 could one shot with their claws or at least weaken.
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#27 Posted by Cregan_Stark (5028 posts) - - Show Bio

1. This one could probably go either way. These guys are all more on less on the same level physically, Panther and Steve are more skilled than the other two but Killmonger and Bucky are more vicious. If Bucky has his enhanced arm then I’d be ok giving this round to the Super Soliders.

2. Panthers. One shield vs two heavily armed Panthers is a bad combination.

3. I personally think the Panthers win this round handily. As I said, they’re all about the same physical and skill level but the Panther suits are too much.

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#28 Posted by Amcu (11805 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Steve and Bucky in a close match up.

2. Steve and Bucky in a closer match up.

3. T'Challa and Killmonger win about every time.

People are totally forgetting teamwork. Steve and Bucky have shown far greater teamwork than T'Challa and Killmonger.

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#29 Posted by TheWatcherKing (17160 posts) - - Show Bio

Team two stomps.

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#30 Posted by jashro44 (49491 posts) - - Show Bio

@buildhare: I'll skip the stuff that deals with killmonger fighting the dora because I think we both need to rewatch the scene.

The difference is that all fighters attacked from the get go and Erik was aware of all of them. If he'd only be facing the fodder trio and Okoye waited till was vulnerable, then snuck up and knee'd him the chest, it would be comparable. Sensing a surprise attack isn't a skill feat it's awareness.

You seem to be suggesting Widow ambushed Bucky. She was standing right behind Sharon. So its not like she had the advantage of surprise.

What? I'm not saying he was fighting like Daredevil, just that he was disoriented. If Tony's flash was anything like a regular flash bang he would have been blinded for a couple of seconds than would have been stuck with a blurry afterimage. He still would have been able to react and fight as he did but obviously it would have a negative effect.

Thing is we don't know if Tony's device operates like a regular flash bang.

In quick succession one after the other, not literally as one but it's not accurate to say he wasn't relevant.

What I mean when I say he isn't relevant is cap was skilled enough to render war machine a non factor. His presence didn't add anything to the fight.

Bucky when he's disturbed isn't, Bucky in TWS mode or at the end of Civil War is. The first fight was inconclusive, the second Cap won after Bucky went for the chip instead of him (you can argue he was being a dumbass but it's not the same as just straight losing), the third Bucky won outright. They're equals when fighting each other although Cap's style and tactical mind is obviously better against people who outstat him (Peter) or are even more offensive (BP) than Bucky is. Doesn't mean they aren't on even footing when they fight.

I would say cap had the advantage in the high way fight. While it was inconclusive Steve was dodging Bucky's attacks and landing several counter attacks. The fight in civil war was won due to BFR to be fair.

Pretty sure a vibranium blade pushed by a peak human would go straight through bone and flesh, T'challa should have been impaled rather than suffering a deepish flesh wound.

I'd have to rewatch the fights with killmonger and M'baku again to address this.

Up until that point neither had Killmonger for all we know, he was a spec ops soldier not a warrior priest or something.

It's not like shields are an issue;

And I don't see how a sword or axe would be anymore foreign to Barnes than it was Erik.

Difference being is Killmonger proved himself with his weapons.

I don't agree either, Bucky disarming Steve here is a better display of skill than slicing T'challa's leg.

He used his bionic arm to over power the shield. Its a skill feat to keep up with him but Killmonger and T'challa showed precise control over there weapons during there duel.

It doesn't need to one shot him, just getting him to the ground is good enough. If Bucky had've pressed that he could've landed more and that's generally how he does it. His fights with Cap are all about momentum for him.

Honestly its not like T'challa went limp for a second even. We don't know what would have happened if Bucky pressed his advantage. T'challa could have recovered like Oliver did here with prometheus.

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I'm not saying its a given but I don't think being knocked to the ground is good enough.

I think it comes down to this, if I'm misremebering the scene with the Dora then I'll agree but otherwise any skill gap is far too small to outweigh Bucky's other advantages.

May also be worth considering that this is an in character fight and the team chemistry between each team couldn't really be more different.

Fair enough.

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#31 Edited by Greysentinel365 (4245 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

What I mean when I say he isn't relevant is cap was skilled enough to render war machine a non factor. His presence didn't add anything to the fight.

To be fair WM only tried one swing with his "repulsor baton" and one bullrush. He didn't try to go H2H, fire repulsors or fire on him in general.

I think saying Cap rendered him a non-factor is a bit much.

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#32 Posted by jashro44 (49491 posts) - - Show Bio

@greysentinel365: Well he did. You can say war machine had other options he never utilized but that was Rhody's mistake.

Not saying Rhody was defeated. He just didn't do much there.

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#33 Posted by Greysentinel365 (4245 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: That's the point. Rhodes didn't do much. It's not that Cap stopped him.

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#35 Posted by Doofasa (1314 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 and 2: Cap and Bucky in an epic fight, mostly due to superior teamwork and in my opinion a slight skill advantage.

Round 3: The panthers, those suits make them OP.

Also I feel that some people are slightly overrating Killmonger's skill level due to his fight with a depowered Tchalla. IIRC Tchalla had the opportunity to kill Erik at the begging of the fight but instead asked him to yield due to his morals/guilt. Sure Erik capitalised after that point but Tchalla could of already killed him.

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#36 Posted by rogueshadow (27624 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't read through the discussion thoroughly, but Bucky's shot on T'Challa was a direct reference to TWS highway fight in my opinion, with both Cap and Panther landing in a battle-ready stance (T'Challa on all fours - like a Panther) and then they kick it up a gear.

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Neither was intended to indicate Bucky's superiority over his opponent.

When they entered round 2, T'Challa put Bucky in an arm-lock within several seconds. Only the strength of Bucky's metal arm saved him.

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Then it really felt like Bucky was starting to get chumped once they got to the bottom of the stairs and T'Challa kicked him off the ledge.

In pure unarmed combat, I think T'Challa is > Cap/TWS who are comparable.

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#37 Posted by AngelJax (9913 posts) - - Show Bio

Wakandans

The Super Soldiers

Panthers

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#38 Posted by GimaggioF (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Cap and WS

Round 2: Cap and WS

Round 3: Panthers 6/10

Superior team work and strength feats coupled with comparable agility, reflexes, speed and skill get the victory for Cap and WS in round 1 and 2. Cap is the most skilled with a shield out of these four and WS has more fighting experience with weapons than anyone in this battle (WW2 through current day).

As for round 3, we’ve already seen Cap and BP stalemate one another in Civil War. It’s those damn BP suits that really give the advantage to the panthers. However, the lack of the helmet is why the panthers don’t get this 9-10 times out of 10. Lack of helmet leaves the panthers vulnerable to chokes and getting their brains shook with Cap’s shield. The panthers do take the majority here though.

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#39 Edited by BillyBickle (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 cap and ws

Round 2 cap and ws

Round 3 panthers

My round 4 is all combantants get a suit of vibranium. Which leads to anoter cap and ws victory.

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#40 Posted by deactivated-5ae6527167c26 (2058 posts) - - Show Bio

Panthers all 3 rounds

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#41 Edited by Batvibe12 (3822 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. It could go both ways
  2. Wakandans 5.5/10
  3. Wakandans
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#42 Posted by Amendment50 (13678 posts) - - Show Bio

Siding with 1 for all 3 rounds.

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#43 Posted by FirestormFate1919 (5990 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd back Cap and Bucky for all three, I think they're more skilled, and they've got much better teamwork. The last round is tough on account of the suits, but the lack of helmets are still a weakness that won't be difficult for fighters as competant as these two to exploit.

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#44 Posted by Dayman213 (41 posts) - - Show Bio

@firestormfate1919: I feel like no helmet is a weakness that will be very hard to exploit. The Wakandans only need to protect one part of their body, which is a pretty huge advantage in my opinion.

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#45 Posted by LiteralSense27 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Wakandans for all three rounds. CA & Bucky fought to the death in Winter Soldier. T’Challla literally had the upper hand on Bucky throughout all of CA:CW. Add fighting in water which is Wakandans home field advantage. Easy win.

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#46 Posted by Chrisgodwin00 (655 posts) - - Show Bio

Super Soldiers take all rounds